Really enjoyed this VN, all the philosophical discussion including.
Minor Spoiler warning:
The whole discussion with we first met Bradbury, I kept thinking "yeah, ok. That's all true for (me/Isaac). But isn't it the same for you? If you can create an AI capable of perfectly copying a person to the point it believes itself to be a person, how can you be sure you ain't one yourself? Have you ever cut Open your skin/skull and had a look beneath? Even then,I meant unless Mary is right about Abilities being a proof of soul AND you have an Ability, you can't be sure you aren't a simulation of "Bradbury". If your own conviction doesn't count, you can always be a biological simulation of your self. If Cogito ergo sum can be a programmed thought, as Bradbury claims, no one can be sure if they are "real".
(If ppl are interested in this, have a look at the zombie argument)
End spoiler
No complaints about the writing, just something I felt I had to share.
In your scenario i will treat "me" as actual person, and closest person.
Either for any kind of robot - if it will have consioness and apparently selfconsioness all is good.
P.S. Hell, after reading/watching some anime, VN, game etc which i really like most saddest thing for me that it's universe, characters simply... don't exist 😥
I always know, that's a work of fiction, but still...
P.P.S I know determination of consioness is compilcated.So if to be honest i will treat as actual person in any case if i can't say with at least 100% that it's haven't consioness and selfconsioness and just imitating it.
Sorry for my English , he isn't my native language and i'm bad in writing with it.
Question: Would you or are you considering creating a version of this that would work with web users by using unity or something? I can't speak for many, but I know that some of us are bound by the technology we use, and this seemed to be the only FNV on Itch that isn't about dating or something. Whether you are or aren't, this is just a suggestion and you can choose to follow it or not.
Unfortunately, we don't have any plans of making a browser version of the game at this time. Though we hate disappointing our fans, we simply don't have the time or experience needed to comfortably port the game to browser right now. If you can't download the PC/Mac version of the game, perhaps you could download it on Android or iPhone, whichever you have? Alternatively, you could try watching one of the many playthroughs of NMF on Youtube if all else fails.
I cant get to Mary's side story on PC. I've redownloaded the files and it still doesn't work. It ends on chapter 8 with no way to scroll down. Any ideas?
It's not accessible through normal gameplay at the moment. You can access it by selecting "New Game" in the main menu and answering "No" to the prompt: this'll lead you to the Chapter Select screen, where you'll be able to find the new side story once you scroll to the bottom.
I love the game and i await every update when it comes out. I'm still not in position to support you guys with more then just my words. So its hard to ask for anything but i don't see the new 12 build and at this point i'm not sure if I can't find it or misread that it should already be public.
i really enjoy the game on my iPhone so i downloaded it on my pc. i plan to upload videos of me playing the game (when i say game I mean visual novel but it is sort of a game) to help promote it because this game really deserves more attention. no idea when these videos will come out due to school and whatnot but i hope to get the first video out within the next month. keep up the good work!
Wow. I played through this game on iOS today, and I literally could not put it down until the end. Might be one of my favorite games I've played through.
The storytelling was amazing. There were so many good quotes, the jokes were really funny, and it was super polished. You really get to know the characters, and I felt soo many emotions about the world that they inhabited. The ethical questions brought up by this game and the cool technology the game imagines will stick in my mind for a long time.
I started playing this game for the art, and the rest of the game did not disappoint! So many cute characters and environments that had me excited whenever the story moved to a new place. It really complemented the dialogue and scene descriptions, adding so much to the story. At some action-filled points the visual novel briefly turns into a comic, which was a delightful surprise.
The music at some points became repetitive, but I think I can chalk that up to a visual novel genre thing instead of a thing with this game, because the music was more-so to set up the mood of the scenes. It can also be just me experiencing this game in one sitting. It wasn't annoying to listen to, in fact it all sounded very lofi-esque/techno-y, matching each scene really well.
The way you get to choose your preferred pronouns and name at the beginning is nice, and they are both integrated into the story really well! Although it doesn't seem to change the story much with what you choose, I'm curious about if the characters would treat you slightly differently, or what they would do if you keep your old name.
The amount of care and talent this game exudes cannot be understated. I'm pretty new to the visual-novel genre, but I can't help but compare all the games I've played up to this point to this one. I really am excited for new content, and until then I'll try to find some other visual novels that are as awesome as this one was to play through!
Blasted through this in 7 hours; honest to god, one of my more enjoyable reads in a while. Nem is absolutely my favorite character rn except maybe mary but cmon. how can you not love mary
All in all, a solid 8/10 experience, can't wait to see where the story is going!
I got recommended this by someone I know. Started playing through it and started asking myself "wait, where are the choices?". At the time I only skimmed description and went into with some of my normal expectations of visual novels. Only just now actually looking through the description again did I realize it specified this was a "linear" vn. Still a good read though.
I love the novel so far since it first came out and when I get to the end each time I am always intrigued by Renè they feel like two sides of the same coin poetic and realistic with their speech in the end it is one of my favorite parts about this game sedge keep up the great work love the story so far.
May I request a list of all the songs? I have gone into the credits and all it gave was the authors, but not the specific songs. Is there any way I could get a list of them? I really like those songs and would like to listen to them on my own accord. Thanks in advance!
On the Discord, there's a channel with all the links to the musicians' Soundcloud/Spotify/Youtube channels. You'll find what you're looking for there! =V
I really love this story. I'll be honest, it had a hell of a lot more content than I was initially expecting. That and it's still chugging along to boot. Super excited to be on this ride and am very interested to see where this story will go.
I'm having problems downloading/getting the NMF app to update with the new build on android and I've tried a few different things to get it to work, but so far the only thing that's worked is deleting the app that's linked to build 10 and losing my saves so I can download build 11. Does anyone know something I can do to get build 11 without losing my saves from 10? If not I'll just play through the story again
Sadly, that's how it seems to work on mobile. You have to delete the app every time before downloading the newest version. You can't keep your old saves that way, but if you start a new game, and say you've played before, you'll be able to start over from whichever chapter you wish!
You might be able to download the save file onto a pc to sideload into a new version but at that point its not worth doing that because the game is available on pc too, i havent tried to do that but if it works then that is also an option.
If you a mobile user, you can easily copy your data or your progress from old version by using ZAchiver that you can download it in Google Play Store. All you need to do is go to the Android - Data and search for nmf.vn from old NMF version and then long tap and Copy or Cut and click data and move it to Device memory, and click this " + " the one above, click New folder and paste it. After that you can delete NMF old version, install new version and after you install it you You have to go to the folder you have created and copy back nmf.vn or cut and then go to Android - data and paste it! Done!
I loved every part of this story so far, honestly I had completely forgotten this wasn't a finished and completely written out story until I got to the end of this build. Characters are lovely, the art is very nice and the music is super good! (I've had the game open in the background doing other things just to listen to the games music while doing said thing) and the story hits surprisingly close to home in a weird way. I very much look forward to reading more of this story and seeing more of the work in this!
I love this vn! The art is beautiful, the story is captivating, and the music, although limited to a few tracks, is always thematic and refreshing. However, I cannot finish it because I can relate to a lot of the issues characters face and it's too much. Still, though, amazing vn that I would love to pick up reading again once the themes and topics are a bit less relatable and real to me.
Everytime I read the scenes involving people staring at the MC, I find myself emphasising with him "^^_ I'm a goth, so I understand what it's like when people try to sneak pictures xD these scenes in NMF always make me laugh :3
I looove how the story is developing~ n_n keep up all the hard work >_</
Currently, no. Translations are not a priority of ours right now, with so much of the game left to write, but we plan on start developing some eventually.
when it was mentioned how pandora labs sort of began in the late 1800's it immediately made me think of CTR the computing, tabulating, recording company which was a merger of 4 other companies which then later became IBM.
Well you ask for questions so I shall provide! I'm new to the story (my first reading is the 10th build) so I apologise for any repeat questions in advance; feel free to just direct me to the relevant answers. And for anybody reading this who hasn't already read this masterpiece, go read it instead of this because there will likely be spoilers and it's definitely worth it to keep the mystery intact.
Is that a Rook cameo I spy?! So now I'm curious about how and why you pick the people you feature as cameos (I'm pretty sure there's more I just don't recognise)? In particular, whether there's a conversation between yourself and those you insert into the background?
What other types of Abilities are there? As far as I can remember, there's only really been mention of cryomancy and a few other things that could be speculatively connected to Abilities.
Has there been much research into Abilities? Nat was supposedly, an expert about Abilities but she mostly just talks about how the scientific community don't know much other than that Abilities started popping up after the Shift and that they have yet to be able to measure them effectively. Considering they have the technology to interface with yuuman brains, surely they've tried measuring the brain activity of people while they use their Abilities? And what about the capacities of particular Abilities? Such as seeing how cold a cryomancer can make a room, how quickly this occurs, and working out what happens to the heat energy from the room. I guess I'm just generally curious about the details of the experiments that have been performed regarding Abilities.
Also, minor note: when a scientist uses the term "theory" they mean an explanation of a phenomenon that has a lot of solid evidence supporting it which is why you'll never hear a scientist dismiss an idea as "just a theory". A better term to use, for during that water cooler conversation in the lab, might be "hypothesis" which is a meaningful explanation which can make predictions that can be proven false with an experiment. Just a little lesson in scientific literacy, free of charge!
Here's a more speculative question, is that shade an Ability user?! Because we know it can have physical form and even converse with multiple people at once who have the same perceptions of it, such as in the train with Daphne. Those times it appears, such as the protagonist's investigation of Daphne and Apollo's family photo, can be explained with the protagonist not being a perfect narrator since Bradbury can also seemingly appear out of no where as well. The vision distortions it causes could also potentially explained by being some kind of Ability that manipulate people's perceptions which may even carry over to androids if their perception works in a similar enough way to yuumans. And considering the shade has bright red eyes like Daphne, seems to only show up when Daphne is around, and the mysterious circumstances surrounding her parents (likely involving trauma), the shade could be someone related to her and watching over her.
What is the distinction between C-Grade and B-Grade AI? The main difference I can find is that B-Grade AI have the ability to initiate conversations. Such as how Arthur, a B-Grade AI, could interrupt the protagonist while they were doing something else, in contrast to the C-Grade AI guarding George's house which only responds when the protagonist engages the intercom (or otherwise attempts to enter the house).
Where did the title of The Owners come from and when was it first used? Most companies refer to the people who own company shares as shareholders, investors, or stakeholders, so I'm curious what triggered the granting of this title? Eccentricity of wealthy people I guess?
I'm also very curious about what the modifications made to Harlan's black box are. Because I feel like any changes to the super secure component that holds a Transferred yuuman's mind/soul would be very important. One modification I can think of that the FBI might want, is to allow them to look into it while it works thus turning it into a grey or white box. This is of course so they can make sure it's still Harlan in there and nothing else that Pandora might of put in there. Another could be to introduce more loyalty or obedience into the personality of the new Harlan. Although, I'm less certain about this modification since I'm pretty sure the old Harlan is an old veteran friend of Bradbury's rather than some kind of useful criminal I initially thought he was.
Here's another history question, when and why was the no violence for no reason whatsoever law passed? I'm particularly curious about the kinds of arguments that were made to particularly exclude self defence as an exception to it. Since, as far as I can reason, not allowing self defence unreasonably burdens the targets of attacks and thus emboldens initiators. Consider that anyone being attacked have only three initial options: attempt to flee, which is the only right option according to this law and could fail due to the environment, and the skills of the attacker and target; take the beating without fighting back, which could result in death and is guaranteed to be painful, and then report the attacker, if able, to get some semblance of justice; and defending themselves which doesn't stop the attacker from attacking someone else without also punishing the defender when reporting the fight. Now consider these outcomes from an attacker's perspective, who has the advantage of choosing the location and method of attack, and is already willing to risk becoming a target for law enforcement: if their target flees they either catch them, which allows the attacker to continue with their plan, or they escape which means no fight occurred and thus the attacker is not punished; if their target takes the beating, the attacker's plan can continue as intended; and if their target does fight back, they can disengage without the worry of the target reporting the fight since that would punish them both. So not exempting self defence from a no violence law mostly serves to hide fights rather than deter them.
Anyway, regardless of whether these question that I have posed get answered or even considered, if you couldn't tell, I'm very invested in this great story and I'm glad to have stumbled upon it. Keep up the good work!
just finished chapter 8 I loved it I also have a question i believe jasper said that the media was 1 of the businesses pandora doesn't mostly govern but what are the others?
Words cannot describe the childlike joy I felt upon seeing a Protogen visor in this.
Also here's hoping René doesn't realize that he and you are the same entity, I can't see him tending to the library in the middle of an existential crisis.
I know I should say something on how amazing this update is or the chapter, but all I am gonna say is. You put a Prometheus and Pandora reference and I didn't miss it! I already feel nerdy and invested reading it, don't hit me with a mythos joke so late in the game!
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The warnings dont lie. 10 min in and already am having to be cautious about my mental health.
i am already so its good
This game uhh... its like kind of a masterpiece!
How the hell is it free, the music, art and story is like top notch.
Great work, the lowest i can give is 9/10 but i know im givin this a 11/10
Hey,
Really enjoyed this VN, all the philosophical discussion including.
Minor Spoiler warning:
The whole discussion with we first met Bradbury, I kept thinking "yeah, ok. That's all true for (me/Isaac). But isn't it the same for you? If you can create an AI capable of perfectly copying a person to the point it believes itself to be a person, how can you be sure you ain't one yourself? Have you ever cut Open your skin/skull and had a look beneath? Even then,I meant unless Mary is right about Abilities being a proof of soul AND you have an Ability, you can't be sure you aren't a simulation of "Bradbury". If your own conviction doesn't count, you can always be a biological simulation of your self. If Cogito ergo sum can be a programmed thought, as Bradbury claims, no one can be sure if they are "real".
(If ppl are interested in this, have a look at the zombie argument)
End spoiler
No complaints about the writing, just something I felt I had to share.
I enjoyed it, keep up the good work!
As for me it's simple - i just don't care.
In your scenario i will treat "me" as actual person, and closest person.
Either for any kind of robot - if it will have consioness and apparently selfconsioness all is good.
P.S. Hell, after reading/watching some anime, VN, game etc which i really like most saddest thing for me that it's universe, characters simply... don't exist 😥
I always know, that's a work of fiction, but still...
P.P.S I know determination of consioness is compilcated.So if to be honest i will treat as actual person in any case if i can't say with at least 100% that it's haven't consioness and selfconsioness and just imitating it.
Sorry for my English , he isn't my native language and i'm bad in writing with it.
if ppl manage to create robots with the sentience of a human at that point you cant really classify it as a robot
I love this VN i can't wait for the next build
Question: Would you or are you considering creating a version of this that would work with web users by using unity or something? I can't speak for many, but I know that some of us are bound by the technology we use, and this seemed to be the only FNV on Itch that isn't about dating or something. Whether you are or aren't, this is just a suggestion and you can choose to follow it or not.
Unfortunately, we don't have any plans of making a browser version of the game at this time. Though we hate disappointing our fans, we simply don't have the time or experience needed to comfortably port the game to browser right now. If you can't download the PC/Mac version of the game, perhaps you could download it on Android or iPhone, whichever you have? Alternatively, you could try watching one of the many playthroughs of NMF on Youtube if all else fails.
now im thinking about it can you do a quick demo of the game mot like the whole chapter 1 but just the start of the game
I cant get to Mary's side story on PC. I've redownloaded the files and it still doesn't work. It ends on chapter 8 with no way to scroll down. Any ideas?
It's not accessible through normal gameplay at the moment. You can access it by selecting "New Game" in the main menu and answering "No" to the prompt: this'll lead you to the Chapter Select screen, where you'll be able to find the new side story once you scroll to the bottom.
hahaha i frogot their name but somebody in this looks like my character
it had a e with the squiggle over it tho
half black and half white
love this
What is Mary's last name?
Is there going to be an apk version
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LETS GOOO
Just got off o Work and ready to Readd
Where did the apk version go?
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I love the game and i await every update when it comes out. I'm still not in position to support you guys with more then just my words. So its hard to ask for anything but i don't see the new 12 build and at this point i'm not sure if I can't find it or misread that it should already be public.
I absolutely loved this! Great visuals, Great story and great characters. Cant wait to explore more of this world. Keep up the good work!
i really enjoy the game on my iPhone so i downloaded it on my pc. i plan to upload videos of me playing the game (when i say game I mean visual novel but it is sort of a game) to help promote it because this game really deserves more attention. no idea when these videos will come out due to school and whatnot but i hope to get the first video out within the next month. keep up the good work!
[Free from story spoilers ;)]
Wow. I played through this game on iOS today, and I literally could not put it down until the end. Might be one of my favorite games I've played through.
The storytelling was amazing. There were so many good quotes, the jokes were really funny, and it was super polished. You really get to know the characters, and I felt soo many emotions about the world that they inhabited. The ethical questions brought up by this game and the cool technology the game imagines will stick in my mind for a long time.
I started playing this game for the art, and the rest of the game did not disappoint! So many cute characters and environments that had me excited whenever the story moved to a new place. It really complemented the dialogue and scene descriptions, adding so much to the story. At some action-filled points the visual novel briefly turns into a comic, which was a delightful surprise.
The music at some points became repetitive, but I think I can chalk that up to a visual novel genre thing instead of a thing with this game, because the music was more-so to set up the mood of the scenes. It can also be just me experiencing this game in one sitting. It wasn't annoying to listen to, in fact it all sounded very lofi-esque/techno-y, matching each scene really well.
The way you get to choose your preferred pronouns and name at the beginning is nice, and they are both integrated into the story really well! Although it doesn't seem to change the story much with what you choose, I'm curious about if the characters would treat you slightly differently, or what they would do if you keep your old name.
The amount of care and talent this game exudes cannot be understated. I'm pretty new to the visual-novel genre, but I can't help but compare all the games I've played up to this point to this one. I really am excited for new content, and until then I'll try to find some other visual novels that are as awesome as this one was to play through!
Blasted through this in 7 hours; honest to god, one of my more enjoyable reads in a while. Nem is absolutely my favorite character rn except maybe mary but cmon. how can you not love mary
All in all, a solid 8/10 experience, can't wait to see where the story is going!
I got recommended this by someone I know. Started playing through it and started asking myself "wait, where are the choices?". At the time I only skimmed description and went into with some of my normal expectations of visual novels. Only just now actually looking through the description again did I realize it specified this was a "linear" vn. Still a good read though.
This is such a great game so much story. I can't wait for the next update.
This is one of the best games I played so far, I hope to see more of it and I cant wait for the next updates
I love the novel so far since it first came out and when I get to the end each time I am always intrigued by Renè they feel like two sides of the same coin poetic and realistic with their speech in the end it is one of my favorite parts about this game sedge keep up the great work love the story so far.
Yeah, I'm honestly sad that I found the game as late as I did because I missed out on all the Rene scenes.
More content was released while i was gone! :D
May I request a list of all the songs? I have gone into the credits and all it gave was the authors, but not the specific songs. Is there any way I could get a list of them? I really like those songs and would like to listen to them on my own accord.
Thanks in advance!
On the Discord, there's a channel with all the links to the musicians' Soundcloud/Spotify/Youtube channels. You'll find what you're looking for there! =V
Thanks a lot, I'll check it out
I really love this story. I'll be honest, it had a hell of a lot more content than I was initially expecting. That and it's still chugging along to boot. Super excited to be on this ride and am very interested to see where this story will go.
I'm having problems downloading/getting the NMF app to update with the new build on android and I've tried a few different things to get it to work, but so far the only thing that's worked is deleting the app that's linked to build 10 and losing my saves so I can download build 11. Does anyone know something I can do to get build 11 without losing my saves from 10? If not I'll just play through the story again
Sadly, that's how it seems to work on mobile. You have to delete the app every time before downloading the newest version. You can't keep your old saves that way, but if you start a new game, and say you've played before, you'll be able to start over from whichever chapter you wish!
That's unfortunate to hear, but thank you for the reply/clarification
You might be able to download the save file onto a pc to sideload into a new version but at that point its not worth doing that because the game is available on pc too, i havent tried to do that but if it works then that is also an option.
If you a mobile user, you can easily copy your data or your progress from old version by using ZAchiver that you can download it in Google Play Store. All you need to do is go to the Android - Data and search for nmf.vn from old NMF version and then long tap and Copy or Cut and click data and move it to Device memory, and click this " + " the one above, click New folder and paste it. After that you can delete NMF old version, install new version and after you install it you You have to go to the folder you have created and copy back nmf.vn or cut and then go to Android - data and paste it! Done!
I can't wait to play more and I recommended people to play it it is really heartwarming and kinda heartwrenching.
I loved every part of this story so far, honestly I had completely forgotten this wasn't a finished and completely written out story until I got to the end of this build. Characters are lovely, the art is very nice and the music is super good! (I've had the game open in the background doing other things just to listen to the games music while doing said thing) and the story hits surprisingly close to home in a weird way. I very much look forward to reading more of this story and seeing more of the work in this!
I love this vn! The art is beautiful, the story is captivating, and the music, although limited to a few tracks, is always thematic and refreshing. However, I cannot finish it because I can relate to a lot of the issues characters face and it's too much. Still, though, amazing vn that I would love to pick up reading again once the themes and topics are a bit less relatable and real to me.
Everytime I read the scenes involving people staring at the MC, I find myself emphasising with him "^^_ I'm a goth, so I understand what it's like when people try to sneak pictures xD these scenes in NMF always make me laugh :3
I looove how the story is developing~ n_n keep up all the hard work >_</
How long does it take to make the soundtracks for this? They also really fit the mood every time
cant wait for the next update tomorrow!
yes thank you sedge thank you so much i love this game a lot
AHH SEE ALMOST EVERY MONTH IS A NEW UPDATE!
Also Do we see Nem or are we still in the Big city?
9/10
It will be 10/10 when more content arrives 👍
i really love the toster boy joke
one question... is the game available in other languages? My native language is Spanish.
Currently, no. Translations are not a priority of ours right now, with so much of the game left to write, but we plan on start developing some eventually.
when it was mentioned how pandora labs sort of began in the late 1800's it immediately made me think of CTR the computing, tabulating, recording company which was a merger of 4 other companies which then later became IBM.
Well you ask for questions so I shall provide! I'm new to the story (my first reading is the 10th build) so I apologise for any repeat questions in advance; feel free to just direct me to the relevant answers. And for anybody reading this who hasn't already read this masterpiece, go read it instead of this because there will likely be spoilers and it's definitely worth it to keep the mystery intact.
Is that a Rook cameo I spy?! So now I'm curious about how and why you pick the people you feature as cameos (I'm pretty sure there's more I just don't recognise)? In particular, whether there's a conversation between yourself and those you insert into the background?
What other types of Abilities are there? As far as I can remember, there's only really been mention of cryomancy and a few other things that could be speculatively connected to Abilities.
Has there been much research into Abilities? Nat was supposedly, an expert about Abilities but she mostly just talks about how the scientific community don't know much other than that Abilities started popping up after the Shift and that they have yet to be able to measure them effectively. Considering they have the technology to interface with yuuman brains, surely they've tried measuring the brain activity of people while they use their Abilities? And what about the capacities of particular Abilities? Such as seeing how cold a cryomancer can make a room, how quickly this occurs, and working out what happens to the heat energy from the room. I guess I'm just generally curious about the details of the experiments that have been performed regarding Abilities.
Also, minor note: when a scientist uses the term "theory" they mean an explanation of a phenomenon that has a lot of solid evidence supporting it which is why you'll never hear a scientist dismiss an idea as "just a theory". A better term to use, for during that water cooler conversation in the lab, might be "hypothesis" which is a meaningful explanation which can make predictions that can be proven false with an experiment. Just a little lesson in scientific literacy, free of charge!
Here's a more speculative question, is that shade an Ability user?! Because we know it can have physical form and even converse with multiple people at once who have the same perceptions of it, such as in the train with Daphne. Those times it appears, such as the protagonist's investigation of Daphne and Apollo's family photo, can be explained with the protagonist not being a perfect narrator since Bradbury can also seemingly appear out of no where as well. The vision distortions it causes could also potentially explained by being some kind of Ability that manipulate people's perceptions which may even carry over to androids if their perception works in a similar enough way to yuumans. And considering the shade has bright red eyes like Daphne, seems to only show up when Daphne is around, and the mysterious circumstances surrounding her parents (likely involving trauma), the shade could be someone related to her and watching over her.
What is the distinction between C-Grade and B-Grade AI? The main difference I can find is that B-Grade AI have the ability to initiate conversations. Such as how Arthur, a B-Grade AI, could interrupt the protagonist while they were doing something else, in contrast to the C-Grade AI guarding George's house which only responds when the protagonist engages the intercom (or otherwise attempts to enter the house).
Where did the title of The Owners come from and when was it first used? Most companies refer to the people who own company shares as shareholders, investors, or stakeholders, so I'm curious what triggered the granting of this title? Eccentricity of wealthy people I guess?
I'm also very curious about what the modifications made to Harlan's black box are. Because I feel like any changes to the super secure component that holds a Transferred yuuman's mind/soul would be very important. One modification I can think of that the FBI might want, is to allow them to look into it while it works thus turning it into a grey or white box. This is of course so they can make sure it's still Harlan in there and nothing else that Pandora might of put in there. Another could be to introduce more loyalty or obedience into the personality of the new Harlan. Although, I'm less certain about this modification since I'm pretty sure the old Harlan is an old veteran friend of Bradbury's rather than some kind of useful criminal I initially thought he was.
Here's another history question, when and why was the no violence for no reason whatsoever law passed? I'm particularly curious about the kinds of arguments that were made to particularly exclude self defence as an exception to it. Since, as far as I can reason, not allowing self defence unreasonably burdens the targets of attacks and thus emboldens initiators. Consider that anyone being attacked have only three initial options: attempt to flee, which is the only right option according to this law and could fail due to the environment, and the skills of the attacker and target; take the beating without fighting back, which could result in death and is guaranteed to be painful, and then report the attacker, if able, to get some semblance of justice; and defending themselves which doesn't stop the attacker from attacking someone else without also punishing the defender when reporting the fight. Now consider these outcomes from an attacker's perspective, who has the advantage of choosing the location and method of attack, and is already willing to risk becoming a target for law enforcement: if their target flees they either catch them, which allows the attacker to continue with their plan, or they escape which means no fight occurred and thus the attacker is not punished; if their target takes the beating, the attacker's plan can continue as intended; and if their target does fight back, they can disengage without the worry of the target reporting the fight since that would punish them both. So not exempting self defence from a no violence law mostly serves to hide fights rather than deter them.
Anyway, regardless of whether these question that I have posed get answered or even considered, if you couldn't tell, I'm very invested in this great story and I'm glad to have stumbled upon it. Keep up the good work!
I'm letting you know 2 things:
1. build 11 is out in case you didnt know.
2. I hope the mc gets the ability to f*** with gravity cuz why not! :D
just finished chapter 8 I loved it I also have a question i believe jasper said that the media was 1 of the businesses pandora doesn't mostly govern but what are the others?
Words cannot describe the childlike joy I felt upon seeing a Protogen visor in this.
Also here's hoping René doesn't realize that he and you are the same entity, I can't see him tending to the library in the middle of an existential crisis.
Maybe we'll have the option to tell him at the very end of the story
I know I should say something on how amazing this update is or the chapter, but all I am gonna say is. You put a Prometheus and Pandora reference and I didn't miss it! I already feel nerdy and invested reading it, don't hit me with a mythos joke so late in the game!